Mormon to Medium
"Deep emotion can break you, or break you open. I chose the latter, and embrace my gifts" Nannette was a lifetime member of the "Mormon" church until tragedy struck her family. In 2014 her husband was violently murdered. It was that day, her heavenly gifts were cracked wide open and she began to "see". Since then, Nannette has embraced her psychic/medium abilities and burst out of the "Mormon bubble"; growing her spirituality in a whole new way. Join her as she "looks beyond the veil" and uses her gifts, understanding, and years of experience to help others navigate their own spiritual journeys.
Mormon to Medium
Ep. 102 - That One Exmo (pt. 2)
Shocking Ex-Mormon Testimonials: Unveiling Hidden Truths and Personal Journeys
Join us as we dive deep into extraordinary and shocking testimonials from former Mormons. Our guest, Leah, shares intimate and often surprising experiences from her time in the church and her subsequent spiritual journeys.
From personal traumas and intense family dynamics to finding individuality and spirituality outside organized religion, this episode provides an eye-opening insight into the complexities of faith transitions.
Tune in for a mix of humor, compelling stories, and profound revelations that challenge conventional beliefs and showcase the resilience of the human spirit.
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I feel like it's been so long since I've gone through an endowment session that it's hard for me to be like, okay, here's step by step. Like, cause I it's been so long and my brain has really forgotten a lot of that stuff. Um,
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_130236:Yeah.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235:remember it, yeah, it's like, Oh no. Like that's, that's not good. You know, it's, It's unhealthy.
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227:Yeah. Well, like when I was coming out of anesthesia, and I'll let you talk about that, Nand.
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_130236:No, you say it. You brought it up.
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227:Well, okay, so, you know, before you go through your endowment session, there's the washing and anointing, right? And I remember being completely overwhelmed. So, um, my girlfriend in high school got pregnant. Um, obviously, you know, I didn't go on a mission after that. They, they don't like young fathers to be missionaries. Um, but we did end up getting married and, you know, a year after we got married, We're going to go through the temple. All right, here we go. And nobody prepared me for this washing and anointing thing, which, uh, essentially I had an old man reach underneath my robe and he touched my shaft and it was very uncomfortable. And I, I'm sorry, too much information maybe, but it's what happened.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235:it's
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_130236:Yep.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235:It's never, I feel like it's not enough information. We need more, you know?
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227:Right? So I woke up. It's something I hadn't thought about for years and years and years and I had an umbilical hernia surgery and I woke up out of anesthesia and for whatever reason, boom, that trauma was right there. Um,
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_130236:It's like he's, he started talking all about it and he wasn't even coherent yet.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235:Wow.
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_130236:Yeah. So I was like, wow, is that a trauma or what? Like,
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235:is, that hits so deep. That hits so deep that, yeah, your brain just subconsciously, unsubconsciously, I guess, was like, here's a memory for you.
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227:yeah.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235:Oh, that's
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_130236:yeah.
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227:It was 100 percent just one of those things that
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_130236:Yeah,
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227:on me before I went in and so my body was like, all right, let's fix this um, because nan does some voodoo shit and
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235:I love it. Good. We need it. No,
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227:tell about your voodoo shit. But yeah, that was what yeah That was a trauma that that came out that the stuff stuff they do in there. They just don't prepare You People for it when they, when you go in. And so when you talk about, yeah, I don't remember a lot of this stuff. I can relate
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235:hmm.
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_130236:definitely. Definitely. It's traumatizing. It's too much to even absorb. Like you walk out of there, just stunned. Like what just happened?
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235:Mm hmm. Oh,
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227:Well, but you can,
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_130236:It's the worst.
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227:you can leave at any time. I I, I saw a post the other day on someone's, uh, I don't even remember whose Instagram it was. Um, I think it was, well it might've been Lucifer's Lantern.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235:Oh, yeah. I
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227:Anyway, someone was like talking of, you know, an apologist got on there and said, well, you know, you can leave the temple at any time. If you're not comfortable, you can get up and leave. And I'm like, no, you, you can, but are you serious? Can you imagine doing that?
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235:I mean, I, I, I wouldn't, I wouldn't have gotten up if, if I was having those feelings. There's no way. There's too many people around, right? You know, you, you don't want to
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_130236:Okay. In this way,
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227:No,
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_130236:not only helping
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227:exactly. Well, and especially if it's like your first time, you've got your family there and they're like, all right, this is normal. It's so beautiful. You're like, yeah, it's beautiful. This is so weird. Um,
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_130236:the world to be a better And we are doing it together. And we are doing it together, and that's what we are doing.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235:being like, is that all? Like when we got in the celestial room, I looked at my mom, like, is that it? And she's like, yep, that's all. I'm like, are you kidding me? Like I just spent two hours watching a movie and this is it? Like, why don't, I don't feel any different.
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_130236:Right. Yeah.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235:feel any different or more special, you know? But I feel like they kind of, maybe my mom, maybe. You know, over did it with explaining like, Oh, how wonderful and beautiful. Cause when I went in, I really did think it was such a, I thought I was part of a really special group of people. I was that
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227:well, that's.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235:It's
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227:That's the key, right? Is, is going, Hey, this is a special group. It's very separate from everyone else. You know, we're special. We've got the truth. And now you're special too,
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235:Right, right. Yeah,
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227:It's, it's cult 101.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235:exactly.
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_130236:It's a cult.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235:it
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_130236:Yeah. Yeah. So crazy, you know, I, my daughter, I have four boys and one girl. She's the smallest and she's my only girl. When we went through the temple with her, when she got married, um, she, she was next to me. You know how you have to change the robes from one shoulder to the next and all the things. She looks at me, she goes, this is stupid. And it, I will never, I will never forget that because in my mind, I thought she literally just spoke the truth. And I wish I could have said that when I went through at 19. With two kids, right? but this was stupid, but that that was her first, you know, experience. She's like, this is just stupid. I'm like, true. And then, um, when she got sealed to her husband, Brad and I were sitting on the bride's side and, you know, um, people were on it. The, this, my son in law's side, and my husband who was killed, his dad was the officiator. And, um, cause he's a temple worker and he was, he was doing the whole thing. Now this is somebody that was the human resources director for the church for like 30 years and, and like super uber ultra Mormon, kay? Kylie, Kylie, my daughter, um, she says to me, she's like, mom, do you think dad's here? And I said, oh honey, do you think your daddy would ever miss this? Like you're his only baby girl. Do you think he would ever miss it? And you could literally feel him in the room. I'm not even kidding. You could feel him. And, um, she kind of welled up and Brad welled up and I welled up and, and my father in law was like, are you guys okay? And I'm like, can't you feel Corey here? And he goes, well, we could hold peace here. Just like that. And I was like, Like, are you kidding me right now? Like, kids, you could feel him. And then you could almost see like this wave of emotion that covered the whole room on both sides of people just starting to feel him and they would well up and they're like, No, he's here. You can feel him. And he's this big energy that always makes people cry. So, it was crazy, because my father in Here, this temple worker, this person that has the priesthood and all the things didn't feel it. And I'm like, there's something missing here. You know, you could, could see it. My daughter could see it. I think all of us could see it. And I think that was the last time we ever went to the temple.
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227:Yeah,
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235:Yeah, that's powerful. Like, yeah, you would think that they could feel those things and
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_130236:Right?
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235:that being so spiritual, right? And especially in the temple, like that's, I would expect you to be able to with anyone on the other side in any kind of temple or setting like that. Right.
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_130236:Right.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235:And
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_130236:the work for the dead. Why not? Right.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235:dead. Yeah.
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227:well, and that's essentially what they tell you, you know, Oh, this is the place where it's quiet and you can disconnect from the world and you can, you can feel, you know, your loved ones and whatnot, but they fail to tell you that you can do that same thing anywhere. Yeah.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235:yeah, in,
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227:It doesn't have to be in this opulent building.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235:exactly, exactly. Yeah, in the Oakland Temple, that's where I got my endowments taken out. Um, it's a really huge temple, and it's beautiful inside. And, um, I remember when I was doing baptisms for the dead when I was a teenager, they have chairs set off. And the temple workers would tell us that those are chairs for past people to sit in to watch you be baptized for them. And I really believed I was like, this is where they sit. Like, and so I looked at the, The temple experience with, you know, like, Oh, like such spiritual, like there's connection here. Like there are people walking the halls and, you know, enjoying this. And, and then I grew up and I was like, Oh wait, there's just no way. Like, it just can't, it can't be like that for the,
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_130236:Okay.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235:the Mormon church. They're just not
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227:Yeah.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235:Yeah.
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227:go, why would they, why would they lie? Right? There's, it's just true, there's no reason for them to tell a story about it, and it's sad because I think a lot of people get out of the church, and they take everything and just throw it away, right? Um, and go, there's nothing here, and I'm not a fan of religion, I don't, I don't, I don't tie in with organized religion at all, especially when you have to pay to be saved. Right? Which, as we know, to go to the temple, you have to pay your tithing. And if you don't, you don't get your temple recommend. You have to pay to play what you don't have to pay to play is spirituality and being able to go to the mountains and be quiet or sit on a beach and calm your mind and feel the energy around you. Um,
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_130236:blah,
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227:to throw the baby out with the bathwater. I still think there's foundations, um, that being in religion starts you out at, but I think that it's very limited. That's my thoughts on. On Mormonism and why I'm like, you know, I, I still think there's more there and being married to a psychic medium. I can't really go. Yeah, that's bullshit because I've seen things. Yeah. I'm like, oh, all right. That's accurate. You know, when she's like, no shit, she shouldn't know. I'm like, okay, there's something about this.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235:think spirituality is an individual experience. And I think that that's kind of where organized religion is wrong is it is one person saying, Hey, this is the way, and this is how it is, where I worked in Yosemite national park for the summer after my high school. And, um, was there for six weeks and I didn't go to church there. They had an LDS service, but I didn't want to attend it. Cause I would be the only one. And, and I just kind of, I felt more. Uh, myself, out there and especially going to girls camp and just other places, like, I would feel the spirit or, or something more connecting myself. I was happier out of a building than I was in. And so, yeah, I mean, I think spirituality is, I think it's an individual thing. I don't think it can be in one specific. Like thing.
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_130236:Oh, so true. So very, very true. And you know, it makes sense. Um, so you have kids. Yeah.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235:have one,
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_130236:Yeah.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235:hmm.
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_130236:one. So it's your son. It's a boy. so if you were going to send your son on a trip, wouldn't you make sure that he had everything that he needed to have a successful journey and that he came home to you and that he communicated with you, right? You would. And so that, that is exactly why we have all of our heavenly gifts is so that we can have a successful journey so that we can stay in touch with the other side and have help when we need it and have guidance when we need it. And we get cheated out of that and, oh no, you have to trust on this other person to do it. When in actuality. We should be doing it right here, right now, individually, and it's work.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235:Yes.
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_130236:it's, it's so, it's so crazy to me that so many people have left their heavenly gifts unopened. Like, there, it's like these beautiful gifts sitting underneath the tree and they're like, Don't you want to open them? Don't you want to know what they're like? You know? But, um, and, and trauma a lot of times will force you to open your gifts because you're looking for answers that you can't find. anywhere else. And, and I think at least with my journey, that that's what I was doing. Cause I was married to my husband for 18 years and, um, all of a sudden he was gone and I had three dreams. He would be shot and killed in the line of duty. So, um, when it happened, Um, it was something that we were prepared for as much as we could be, and we had talked about it and all the things, and um, that's when my world shifted and shattered, and my heavenly gifts started to pop, and I could hear my husband, I could feel him, I could see him with my human eyes in the middle of the ding day, like, things just started to happen, and I'm just like Help, because not only was he murdered, but I have all these other things happening and, and now with my own clientele, um, I have a lot of people that have lost their loved ones and they just want to know where are they, you know? What, are they feeling better, you know? they come around to me? And then I start to teach people to use their own heavenly gifts because they can do what I do. I'm no one special. I'm just stubborn. I opened up my gifts and I'm like, okay, Mom, mom, mom, mom, like a million times and God was friendly. Like, what? fine. I will show you all of this stuff. But, um, it's crazy because, um, you know, so many people, um, Satan for bad things and they turn to Christ to save them when in actuality, You know, Christ was our example. He didn't tell us to, to worship him. He said, follow me, do what I do because you are like me, do what I do. And so all of the beautiful things that he did, we can do. It's just a matter of opening our heavenly gifts and learning how and it's work. But my journey has brought me to that and it's like, it's such truth and it doesn't belong in church. Does that make sense?
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235:hmm.
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_130236:That, um, I want to know what you believe in and why you left. Um, what was your, your final cutting? I, I'm drawing the curtains on Dawn.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235:Yeah, um, it was learning that Joseph, um, Smith was a treasure hunter, um, and that, you know, Emma and his dad, you know. Emma's dad and him were, you know, friends over this, and that was kind of it. It was just like, okay, yeah, this just doesn't make sense. If he's not a true prophet, then I'm not gonna believe. So yeah, it was just kind of, that was kind of it for me, was Joseph's whole treasure hunting stuff, you know? Just odd. And, um, but yeah, I mean, I, um, immediately went to, okay, well then, God and Jesus don't exist like that's not real and um, so I was I would say for a good maybe like year I was atheist like I really just didn't believe in nothing and We would watch a lot of ancient aliens My husband is a nerd and loves science and history and so watching ancient aliens kind of opened my my eyes to a lot of History things and, you know, the
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227:I'm not saying it was aliens, but it's pretty sure that it was aliens.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235:Yeah,
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227:That guy is crazy awesome.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235:yes, yes, yes. And so it just kind of, you know, after I had my son, um, my husband's grandma died. She was 90, oh, she was like 98, I
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_130236:So, So, So, So, So, So,
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235:ready for that. But I was like, I'll go. I want to go and be there for my husband. And so we went. And while I was there, I was like, man, I want to see her again. Like, I want to see, I want Atlas to enjoy his great
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_130236:Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235:what I need in my life right now. And so I went for a couple months, I went to little Bible studies. I really did try to embrace and, you know, get in to, to, uh, I guess push my whole self into that group. And um,
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_130236:Yeah.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235:spending time with my husband than I do like at, you know, church with my husband. People that I don't really know so it was just like there's got to be something more I don't believe necessarily that there is like a one true church. So
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_130236:going to talk about the code. So, um, we're going to talk about the numbers. Um, the number is just a number on the left. So, if you're just, you know, you will see that they're just numbers. So, uh, in
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227:Like South Park.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235:South
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_130236:you're going to have numbers that are just a number that you're going to
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227:So what, what, uh, caused your journey to go, I'm going to start making Instagram reels about this.
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_130236:the
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227:How did that start?
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235:Um, yeah, this is really hard, this is hard to talk about, uh, because I didn't want to do this, but I felt a pull in me. And, um, So I had a falling out with my parents a few years ago, and we didn't talk for a year, um, because my mother just, she's very controlling and I felt like I needed space. So I took a step back. I had my son and I was like, he needs family. So I was like, okay, I'll just go back into it. So I contacted them and it was fine, but it wasn't until the end of last year when I was trying, I, I was reading more stuff about Mormonism. And it just was like, I want to share why I left the church with my parents. Like, I really do. Like, why don't they want to know? Do they not care to know? Like, do they think I'm stupid? Like, do they not trust that I'm kind of intelligent and like, I have
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_130236:Wow. Wow.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235:And my sister too, who was kind of active and I have two siblings who are excommunicated. So. know, it's
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_130236:Wow. Wow. Wow.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235:because you don't go to church. I was like, I was
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227:Are you shitting me?
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235:completely shocked. I was like, do you think I'm going to like beat your kids? Do you think I'm just a terrible mom?
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_130236:Awesome.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235:I have so much inside of me. I haven't been able to tell anyone why I went home for my mission. And I just want to get this out. started an Instagram and just. told my story and it, it went crazy. Yeah, it blew up. It was wild. So yeah, just there's, there's kind of a lot there for you, but there you go.
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227:Do you know what? It's so healing to be able to get that out. And I'm so sorry that that is the way they reacted. Um, it seems though that that's a very typical Mormon reaction and I refuse to participate in the rebranding. They are Mormons. I was around when we had the I'm a Mormon campaign. It will always be Mormon. I'm still a Mormon and I'm going to call it whatever the hell I want. It's Mormon.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235:Yeah.
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227:It's such a Mormon reaction though to say, well, you're not a member. And so you wouldn't be a good parent for my children. That is, it's so horrible.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235:mom this, I said, this is what my sister said. And she said, well, I understand why she says that. So my mother agreed. And I'm like, do you guys, I'm a, I am just, it's crazy, I, I, yeah, I couldn't even believe, she agreed, my mother agreed, and I thought, yep, this is exactly, I know exactly how my family feels about me, and it's all because I'm not Mormon, and my sister would say, no it's not, no it's not, I'm like, yes it is, you still go, so they still love you, I don't go, and I want to be open about it, and yeah, it's sickening. There's a lot of people that go through what I go through.
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_130236:Yeah, unfortunately, there is a lot of people with very similar stories and a lot of, um, LDS people that react that way. I think that they're so gas lit that they actually think that you're going to, you know, poison them somehow. Um, by them being around you or their kids being around you or whatever that may be. But I mean, there's a lot of, I, a lot of my clients too are mixed faith marriages, not like me and Brad, but mixed faith, um,
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227:We're mixed faith in name only.
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_130236:We're ones really, really in and ones out and they're trying to work it out, you know, and neither one's gonna budge. And it's like, all that, that Mormon, um, shame on, on the spouse that has left is incredible. Incredible! And they kowtow to it. So it's like, why can't we just, you know, walk our journeys and be okay with wherever somebody is? I have clients that are very, very Mormon. I have other clients that have never been Mormon. I have other clients that have left, and it's across the board, but, um, we should all love each other and be able to, um, cheer for each other on our individual journeys. They don't have to be the same. They need to be different, you know, and and we should share our strengths and where we've we've fallen so that we can help each other is is my honest belief system and what my own clients have taught me. I just I think it's just sad. Um, I mean, I have family members that think I'm of the occult, that I, what I do is of the occult. And I'm just thinking, we are 99 percent energy and 1 percent mass. Why would I not do energy work? Like I help people heal. Like why, why does that not make sense? I'm like, yeah, no, just, it's crazy to me, the gaslighting, the shame. And I mean, yeah, I have a lifetime full of shame. That's why it took me 47 years to be like, yeah, I don't think I'm doing this.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235:Yeah.
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_130236:I, I, I so get you, but when you were talking about how you've been treated, it just resonated with me because I'm just like, in a way, I'm like, I hate that you felt that way, but in another sense, I'm like, I'm so glad that she's gone through what I have experienced too because you make, it makes you not feel so alone. You know?
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235:My, uh, it's very interesting. My, um, my patriarchal blessing says that I'm very articulate and that I will, I'll spread goodness around the world and I'll, and I'll speak the truth. It literally says I will speak the truth. And to that, I say, that's exactly what I'm fucking doing. I am using it against them because
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227:Perfect.
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_130236:Yeah.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235:And I feel that spiritual gifts, you know, I've always been a people person. I, I feel it in my soul when I'm with someone, you know, I love connecting with others and it's just interesting like, yeah, I, it's just, uh, it's mind blowing how all of it, you know, can come about so easy like that for someone, you know, where you just like, Oh yeah, that makes sense.
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_130236:We're so much bigger than what any religion lets us be. And, um, once you, once you you've stripped that away, standing by yourself in your own truth and light can be really scary because the church defines you. Right. But learning how to define yourself. Define yourself and find yourself and realize that this is your school. This is, this earth is our school. And we're supposed to learn. We're supposed to share. We're supposed to make mistakes. We're supposed to fall flat on our face and get back up and be resilient and all the things. Um, that's the beauty of life. Um, I, I think, I think that's where the richness comes from. I love what you do. Absolutely love it. Obsessed. I stalk you all the time.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235:I've had people message me and be like, I just spent the last four hours watching your video and I just worked a 12 hour shift, I'm a nurse and I'm like, Oh my gosh, thank you. Like it's, it's wild. Yeah. I mean, I just started it a month ago and I'm like, it's just crazy. I didn't think it was going to be like this and my parents, my sister told my parents that I had started this page. And I had already called my mom a narcissist and so I knew it was over. I was like, well, it's out there So she really knows how I feel and I thought there's just no going back And you know, what were they going to do? Anyways say, okay, go ahead. Like we'll still love you. Absolutely Like
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227:Yeah.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235:on online And uh, my dad has no backbone and my mom's a narcissist and i'm i'm perfectly okay with that because I feel I feel sad for them they did this to themselves, but I feel like I needed to kind of go through this to get to
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_130236:Yeah.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235:today to be like, Hey, be your fucking self. Don't, if you don't want to go to church, don't go to church. If you feel weird about it, go. If you want to leave your spouse, get the fuck out. Go. You know, like do whatever it is that's going to make you happy. Because you literally only I feel you only have this time to really define who you are And you don't want to fuck it up and I don't want to be praying in some temple and paying Half of my husband's income to them Just for the hopes that I get into heaven, maybe? Like, like
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_130236:Yeah. Yeah.
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227:Well, it sounds like you've got some really good boundaries established and you've learned a lot of this stuff. I wish I had learned it when I was your age. Congratulations. That's huge. Really, to be able to go, look, they're going to do their thing and that's a them problem. I'm going to do this because it's what's right for me and I'm going to speak my truth. That is amazing. And like Dan said, we, we both love your channel. Keep up the great work. Um, it's awesome.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235:Thank
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227:thank you for, for what you've done.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235:thank
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227:think there's a big community of people out there who are in the same boat, right? People need to understand they're not alone.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235:And there's a lot of ex mormon content out there, and there's a lot of angry ex mormons, and I'm, I'm pissed off, but I'm very happy about it because it is kind of, you know, like, Well, there you go. That's how it is. And so I tried
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227:just happily pissed. It's okay.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235:I, try to make it not so serious because it isn't that serious. And life is supposed
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227:No.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235:And you know, I, I, I, I think everyone should do what they want. Um, I believe people should worship whoever they believe. You know, if you want to believe in the flying spaghetti monster, would go for it. But, you know, I think that when it comes to, um, you know, letting people know about your church, you need to be transparent. And that's the issue with the Mormon churches. They're not. And they're fooling a lot of people. And that's, I don't like that. Because I was fooled. And I was forced to think a certain way. And it's just, it's not how it's supposed to be. And, um, Yeah, it's just not healthy for anyone.
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_130236:it's definitely not what they teach. They teach you to be an honest person, right? And when they on the flip side are the most dishonest. I remember, um. President Hinckley even said a statement. I'm going to butcher it, I'm sure, but it's something like, you guys probably can help, but it's something like, um, either the Mormon Church is the most true church, um, on the face of the earth, or it is the biggest farce. It's either one or the other, and I'm like, I almost like, um, because they sign NDAs, right? They can't tell shit. I think it was his way of being, putting that question mark out there, like, it could be the biggest farce. Ever. The biggest lie. that's exactly what it's been. I mean, how do you have eight different accounts of the first vision? Which one are you going to pick? Because honestly, I've seen ghosts with my eyes and my visions don't change. I don't change my mind and add an extra ghost. You know, I don't, I don't understand how you have eight different accounts. And you just change it as you go. I, I call bullshit, like, no, that's not true. And, and if it's not true, then all of it busts. The whole foundation's gone. Like, like their own prophet said. And he was my prophet at the time, but that put a question in my mind when he said something like that. I just, it's so, so, so interesting that
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227:That's an interesting rabbit hole to, to jump down and go, okay, what did Hinkley say that was warning us that this is BS? That's I'm going to go jump down that I think,
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235:saying, trust me, trust me. Like, trust me, trust me. Like with your whole everything. And I watched a clip. Um, I can't remember who it was. I think it was boy K Packer and he was talking to a bunch of kids and he's like, you have to trust us. Like we are God's people. And it was just like, man, like, That is not okay. Like it's,
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227:you know,
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235:how it works. You know? You, you, you're not, I'm not a, I, I don't fit in with the com, the community anymore. I did. And you know, there are Mormons that do and thrive and love it. Like my parents love being Mormon. My dad would take a bullet for the Mormon church and I really
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_130236:Awesome.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235:and I love that
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_130236:Yeah.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235:But I don't want it, it's not my community
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227:right.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235:I don't, it's, it's, I, it, it fucked me up. So I don't want to be there.
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_130236:I'm just going to say that those are the lazy learners.
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227:Yes.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235:Yeah
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_130236:Because, because this stuff and having it become your truth and living your truth is work. Yeah. It's not easy, and it's not for the faint of heart. The lazy learners are the ones that are like, Oh, please give me the checkbox so that I can make it to the celestial kingdom, and I'll just do all the things and I'll pay my way, and that's where I'll go. And it's like, anything I do wrong, I'm gonna blame on Satan, and oh, by the way, I have the second anointing, so I can do whatever I want. Like, Are you kidding
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227:oh, that's a whole other topic,
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_130236:Yeah. Yeah.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235:I told my dad I was like, you know, joseph was he like was arrested for fraud Like he was scamming people because he was a glass looker. I was like dad. There's literal Court papers that say this. Like, do you want to see them? And he's like, I don't care. He's like, everyone has a past. And I was like, are you fucking kidding me? Like, how can you not want to look at that? Like, don't you want to know about Joseph? Like, I do. I
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_130236:Wow.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235:everything about that con man, because it's, it's
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227:right?
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235:And
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_130236:Right?
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235:little things that they just kind of like push under that you're like, okay, you, you, you don't get it. And it's sad.
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227:Well, that's just anti Mormon propaganda. You can't believe that. That's anti Mormon. And, and a lot of people jump on and say, well, yeah, you're an Exmo. You've made that your whole personality. Well, no, I'm working through my trauma because I had 50 years of being in this stuff. So now it's time to work through it. Right. And I think that's one of the things that, um, pages like yours, Really help us all to work through and go, yeah, I can relate to that. So thank you for sharing those. And, and
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_130236:You're awesome.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235:you. This was
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227:absolutely.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235:I, I
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_130236:I
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235:hope
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227:Yeah.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235:each other one day in person.
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_130236:would love it. Where do you live?
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235:up in the Ogden
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_130236:You're
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235:So
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_130236:Ogden area. Okay. Yeah. I've got your digits when we're up in that area. I'll holler at you. Maybe we can grab dinner or something.
leah_1_02-21-2025_130235:would be
brad_1_02-21-2025_130227:Yep. And if you get to ST George, please let us know. We'll, we'll buy you dinner and drinks. So thank you Leah so much for being on. We really appreciate it. Um, yeah, it's been awesome to visit with you, get to know you. And for those of you out there watching or listening, go check out Leah's page. It's that, ah, excuse me, that one exmo. Go and find her. She's got some great content out there. You'll really enjoy it. thank you again, Leah. And for all of you out there, we'll see you.
nannette-_1_02-21-2025_130236:On the other side of the veil.
